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How can 10,000 Lumens be brighter than 20,000 Lumens?

7/25/2013

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One of the challenges with any new technology is that it takes time for people to understand it and how it may differ from other technologies that they have previously experienced.  Such is often the case with LED lighting.  

Most everyone is familiar with the traditional incandescent light bulb and equally familiar with the ways that have historically been used to describe the light emitted from these bulbs.  For example, if I say, "this room should have a 100 watt light bulb in it," you likely know immediately what I am referring to and have a general sense that this would be a relatively bright reading light.  

However, one of the challenges created because of the dramatically increased efficiency of LED lighting is that using a traditional power measurement such as 100 watts does not offer any precise information about how bright the light drawing this much power would be.  For example, our company, Leading Edge Designs, carries a 75 watt LED light fixture that is bright enough to be used as a street light - a far cry from a 100w incandescent light! 

Therefore, one of the challenges faced by the lighting industry as a whole is how to consistently measure (and describe) brightness across different technologies, especially when they can be drastically different in the magnitude of intensity.  Currently, one of the common ways to describe brightness that can be applied to both traditional and new technologies is to use the term "Lumen."  Wikipedia defines a Lumen as "the International System of Units derived unit of luminous flux, a measure of the total 'amount' of visible light emitted by a source." (Luminous Flux is further defined here...)

This certainly seems like a reasonable unit to use, since it measures the total "amount" of visible light, and in many ways it is very useful.  However, a challenge is created because Lumens actually measure the total amount of visible light emitted by a source without regard to the direction this light is emitted.  Because of this, it does not accurately reflect the amount of light that actually reaches the eye of an observer.  Some reasons for this are uniform across technologies, such as the amount of dust and other particles in the air, so these don't impact a meaningful discussion of how "bright" a light is, because they tend to have a relatively consistent impact on different lighting technologies.  

However, there are some reasons that the total brightness of a light source doesn't reach an observer's eye that are different because of the technologies involved.  The ones I'd like to focus on today are directional light and reflected light intensity.  

Traditional (incandescent, high intensity discharge, etc.) lights emit light in all directions.  In contrast, LED lighting is directional, meaning that all of the light energy is emitted in the direction the light is pointed (in whatever beam pattern it is designed to produce).  For example, most Leading Edge Design lights are designed to emit a 120º beam pattern, so all light is directed within that 120º pattern.  Traditional lights emit light in all 360º, meaning that essentially 50% or more of the light emitted is directed away from the intended illumination.  Often times, light that is initially emitted in the wrong direction is reflected back generally toward the intended illumination point, however, this light looses brightness along the way, especially since some of the reflected light is reflected back into the original light source or is refracted along the way.

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So, what does all of this mean?  A rough rule of thumb to use is that, in order to compare an LED light source to a traditional light source, one must reduce the lumen results of the traditional light source by up to 50% or greater to account for brightness lost getting to the observer's eye.  I call this "Usable Lumens."  Who knows, maybe the industry will pick this term up to help better explain how two lights compare to each other.  Either way, it is in part because of this difference in "Usable Lumens," that a traditional light rated at 20,000 Lumens would be observed to be less bright that a 10,000 Lumen LED light under the same conditions.  

Another common way to measure light intensity that is often used in regulations such as OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) standards is the unit of measure foot-candle.  I'll discuss the difference between this and a Lumen in a future post.  In the meantime, you can learn more about the latest in LED light fixtures at our website, www.LED-ltd.us.  Please post a comment or question on the blog, and we'll get back to you as soon as possible.  
16 Comments
Edmond
2/13/2015 03:07:51 am

If an isotropic light source sits in a focal point of a good quality, deep parabolic mirror I am curious how any of it gets reflected back to the source or where does it get refracted along the way? Where does the 50% claim originate? Are we supposed to believe that somehow one led lumen is worth two of any other?

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JON
12/28/2019 09:30:12 am

I have to agree with Edmond, whilst most reflectors will not be good parabolic mirrors, and there will be some loss due to sub standard reflectors, the claim that 50% is lost is not practical.
If a reflector type fitting states a given Lumen output, this is the measured output within a 90deg spread (45deg either side of centre) and is comparable with a similar LED fitting.

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Richard link
1/6/2021 04:04:03 am

Hi tthanks for posting this

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Mike
3/15/2021 12:03:56 pm

The reason 10000 is brighter than a 20;000 lumen .is trickery. Lumens
Should be as a light bulb 100 is brighter than a 75 is brighter than 65 .
Point blank . I’ve went through this ,I’ve seen 5000 lumens brighter than 10,000. An the 10,000 was cheaper it’s trickery, Chinese trickery with a little American thievery,yep

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NoBs link
5/30/2021 04:59:04 pm

I have to say while I believe what you say, you're not conveying it in a manner I can understand.

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Charles
6/2/2023 09:44:06 am

False advertising is what manufacturers use to get people to buy their product because most people wouldn't bother to research about it. Another reason why 10,000 lumens seems brighter than 20,000 lumens is the amount of glare LEDs put out. LEDs have their benefits as floodlights, but they should make coated LED filament lamps that retrofit HID luminaires while producing less glare.

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3/26/2022 11:02:21 pm

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Paul L
4/21/2022 11:03:56 am

So if I'm understanding right, the claim that 10,000 can be "brighter" than 20,000 Lumens, is placement of the LEDs and the angle of reflection. So a "corn cob" style light might have a measurement of more Lumens because it's in almost all directions, but a UFO style, since the LEDs are all pointing down, you'd have a more concentrated beam, and appear brighter, but with the same measurement tool, it may not necessarily have a higher Lumen value. It seems to me that using Lux or Lumens should both be listed, because it really depends on the position, reflector if used, and intended use, because it all comes down to where you want the light is being needed.

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Paul L
4/21/2022 11:08:46 am

Especially since the measurement of Lumens is on a machine no one can reasonably have or use, so you're relying on the honesty of the manufacturer, and can't reasonably do your own tests, but a Lux meter is cheap and easy to have and use in any direction/light angle you want.

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Khaine L
5/20/2022 06:18:49 pm

After a short skim this is actually quite helpful and rather easy once you read and understand about 3 lines of text thank for this it'll help in the future

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Nate link
5/21/2022 06:15:25 am

Almost deleted this until I came to the second last paragraph which is what I wanted to know.. I suppose the rest is useful for interested folks but I have to believe most folks would be well satisfied with just that one paragraph..

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John Reed
2/11/2023 02:25:00 pm

I'm lost. On Amazon they have all kinds of high lumens lights with varying prices and such. What would you recommend for best rechargeable furthest and brightest flashlight under $100? (This is a great website by the way. Thank you)

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randyfantastic
11/6/2023 09:40:31 am

Yes, advertised lumen output may not be accurate. Some manufacturers inflate this number to get people to purchase their product over another. Most people just accept the specifications given by the manufacturer because after the y have purchased the product, they don't have the means to measure lumens. You can get ripped off pretty easily in this way!

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